Butterfly Weed, Water Boil Stem, Peel Fiber

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Source: Comparative Plant Fiber Collection$${| $$|F5e1ec757ae0b54f973c244b1be8241f.jpg$$BFW-024-09-14-09-BF-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-024-09-14-09-BF-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| narrow lumen diameter relative to fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Transverse markings$$|| surface folds present$$|}$$|}$${| $$|955dc7819aaf1da0e7a58673a087f097.jpg$$BFW-025-09-14-09-DF-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-025-09-14-09-DF-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| narrow lumen diameter relative to fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Transverse markings$$|| surface folds present$$|}$$|}$${| $$|708d7dc9f5e97f34e6b85061b38d069c.jpg$$BFW-026-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-026-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| narrow lumen diameter relative to fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Transverse markings$$|| surface folds present$$|}$$|}$${| $$|09248af7c97887b283b3310f2f38c191.jpg$$BFW-027-09-14-09-DIC-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-027-09-14-09-DIC-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| narrow lumen diameter relative to fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Transverse markings$$|| surface folds present$$|}$$|}$${| $$|B2201ba1b3da51d9e73397d44641bf14.jpg$$BFW-028-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-028-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| narrow lumen diameter relative to fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Transverse markings$$|| surface folds present$$|}$$|}$${| $$|30b40b34695a403240062d09bc029800.jpg$$BFW-029-09-14-09-POL-FOR-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-029-09-14-09-POL-FOR-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| narrow lumen diameter relative to fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Transverse markings$$|| surface folds present$$|}$$|}$${| $$|B7b2cff164b8b0eca38b44c1da574469.jpg$$BFW-029.5-03-09-10-POL-FOR-400X-PM-3-9$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE. 39.10.1-5.1.4.-**-3 7/8/91 (O) 031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem, peel fiber$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-029.5-03-09-10-POL-FOR-400X-PM-3-9$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 03/09/10$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| Permount RI 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| medium fiber diameter$$|}$$|}$${| $$|74e8e6e0e518f4d9002df49660e28da2.jpg$$BFW-030-09-14-09-BF-400X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber; fiber and associated materials$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-030-09-14-09-BF-400X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Cracks$$|| few crystals$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Crystals$$|| 2 druse$$|}$$|}$${| $$|8436e379dade67d7298843ebdd778801.jpg$$BFW-031-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber; fiber and associated materials$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-031-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Cracks$$|| few crystals$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Crystals$$|| 2 druse$$|}$$|}$${| $$|5c4e736f3fb899ece0c03825c916d51b.jpg$$BFW-032-09-14-09-DIC-400X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber; fiber and associated materials$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-032-09-14-09-DIC-400X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Cracks$$|| few crystals$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Crystals$$|| 2 druse$$|}$$|}$${| $$|3db714b45eed0ea7a95e757fe92f271e.jpg$$BFW-033-09-14-09-BF-200X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber; fiber and associated materials$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-033-09-14-09-BF-200X-PM-3-9-overall fibers$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Cracks$$|| few crystals$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Crystals$$|| 2 druse$$|}$$|}$${| $$|60b6e84829a18e567506c426611e8c68.jpg$$BFW-034-09-14-09-BF-400X-PM-3-9-crystal druse$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber; fiber and associated materials$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-034-09-14-09-BF-400X-PM-3-9-crystal druse$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. Crawford$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscope$$|| Zeiss Axioplan$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permoount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Cracks$$|| few crystals$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Crystals$$|| 2 druse$$|}$$|}$${| $$|E54f00f83eb55a723fec455c46b576ca.jpg$$BFW-035-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9-crystal druse$$||$${| Class="wikitable" border="1" style="border-collapse:collapse;"$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Mounting agent and RI$$|| RI: permount 1.515$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant fiber features$$|| lumen not apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Bulging$$|| few dislocations$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Fibrillar fracture$$|| narrow fiber diameter$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Longitudinal markings$$|| transverse marks apparent$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Cracks$$|| few crystals$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Crystals$$|| 2 druse$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Type$$|| bast$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Accession number$$|| 7/4/91 AE.39.10.1-5.1.4-3.7/8/91 (O) #031 #2$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Plant part source$$|| Butterflyweed, water boil stem and peel fiber; fiber and associated materials$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Processing treatment$$|| boil in water$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Image Identification information$$|| BFW-035-09-14-09-POL-400X-PM-3-9-crystal druse$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Date of image capture$$|| 09/14/09$$|-$$!scope="row" style="text-align:left;" | Microscopist$$|| L. 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